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Plato, Republic, Book 1, section 343a (search)
badly, if she can't get you to knowLiterally, “if you don't know for her.” For the ethical dative cf. Shakespeare Taming of the Shrew, I. ii. 8 “Knock me here soundly.” Not to know the shepherd from the sheep seems to be proverbial. “Shepherd of the people,” like “survival of the fittest,” may be used to prove anything in ethics and politics. Cf. Newman, Introduction Aristotle Politics p. 431, Xenophon Memorabilia iii. 2. 1, Suetonius Vit. Tib. 32, and my note in Class. Phil. vol. i. p. 298. the difference between the shepherd and the sheep.” “And what, pray, makes you think that?” said I. “Because you think that the shepherds
Plato, Republic, Book 2, section 363d (search)
f virtue from the gods. For they say that the children's childrenKern, ibid., quotes Servius adVirgil, Aeneid iii. 98 “et nati natorum” and opines that Homer took Iliad xx. 308 from Orpheus. of the pious and oath-keeping man and his race thereafter never fail. Such and such-like are their praises of justice. But the impious and the unjust they bury in mudCf. Zeller, Phil. d. Gr. i. pp. 56-57, 533 D, Phaedo 69 C, commentators on Aristophanes Frogs 146. in the house of Hades and compel them to fetch water in a sieve,Cf. my note on Horace, Odes iii. 11. 22, and, with an allegorical application, Gorgias 493 B. and, while they still live,
Plato, Republic, Book 3, section 406a (search)
” said I, “if you reflect that the former Asclepiads made no use of our modern coddlingThis coddling treatment of disease, which Plato affects to reprobate here, he recommends from the point of view of science in the Timaeus(89 C):DIO\ PAIDAGWGEI=N DEI= DIAI/TAIS, etc. Cf. Euripides Orestes 883; and even in the Republic 459 C. medication of diseases before the time of Herodicus. But HerodicusCf. Protagoras 316 E, Phaedrus 227 D. To be distinguished from his namesake, the brother of Gorgias in Gorgias 448 B. Cf. Cope on Aristotle Rhet. i. 5, Wilamowitz-Kiessling, Phil. Unt. xv. p. 220, Juthner, Philostratus uber Gymnastik, p. 10. was a trainer and became a valetudinarian, and blen
Plato, Republic, Book 4, section 419a (search)
Socrates And Adeimantus broke in and said, “What will be your defence, Socrates, if anyone objects that you are not making these men very happy,Adeimantus's criticism is made from the point of view of a Thrasymachus (343 A, 345 B) or a Callicles (Gorgias 492 B-C or of Solon's critics (cf. my note on Solon's Trochaics to Phokos, Class. Phil. vol. vi. pp. 216 ff.). The captious objection is repeated by Aristotle, Politics 1264 b 15 ff., though he later (1325 a 9-10) himself uses Plato's answer to it, and by moderns, as Herbert Spencer, Grote, Newman to some extent (Introduction to Aristotle's Politics, p. 69.), and Zeller (Aristotle, ii. p. 224) who has the
Plato, Republic, Book 4, section 423b (search)
ty, and only secondarily refers to MEGA/LHN.KAI/ then is rather “and” than “even.” “So large a city that is really one you will not easily find, but the semblance (of one big city) you will find in cities many and many times the size of this.” Cf. also 462 A-B, and my paper “Plato's Laws and the Unity of Plato's Thought,”Class. Phil. 1914, p. 358. For Aristotle's comment Cf. Politics 1261 a 15. you will not easily discover either among Greeks or barbarians—but of those that seem so you will find many and many times the size of this. Or do you think otherwise?” “No, indeed I don't,” said he.“Would not this, then, be the best rule and measure for our gove
Plato, Republic, Book 4, section 437d (search)
generally into the opposite class from all the former?” “Of course.” “This being so, shall we say that the desires constitute a classCf. on 349 E. and that the most conspicuous members of that classCf. 412 B and Class. Phil. vii. (1912) pp. 485-486. are what we call thirst and hunger?” “We shall,” said he. “Is not the one desire of drink, the other of food?” “Yes.” “Then in so far as it is thirst, would it be of anything more than that of which we say it is a desire in the soul?The argument might proceed with 439 ATOU= DIYW=NTOS A)/RA H( YUXH/. All that intervenes is a digression on logic, a caveat against possible misunderstandings of the proposition that thirst qua
Plato, Republic, Book 5, section 450b (search)
ore.” The expression was proverbial and was explained by an obscure anecdote. Cf. Leutsch, Paroemiographi, ii. pp. 91, 727, and i. p. 464, and commentators on Herodotus iii. 102. and not to listen to discussions?” “Yes,” I said, “in measure.” “Nay, Socrates,” said Glaucon, “the measurePlato often anticipates and repels the charge of tedious length (see Politicus 286 C, Philebus 28 D, 36 D). Here the thought takes a different turn (as 504 C). The DE/ GE implies a slight rebuke (Cf. Class. Phil. xiv. pp. 165-174). of listening to such discussions is the whole of life for reasonable men. So don't consider us, and do not you yourself
Plato, Republic, Book 5, section 451a (search)
indeed,GA\R OU)=N, “for in fact,” but often with the suggestion that the fact has to be faced, as e.g. in Timaeus 47 E, where the point is often missed. I believe that involuntary homicide is a lesser fault than to mislead opinion about the honorable, the good, and the just. This is a risk that it is better to run with enemiesAlmost proverbial. Cf. my note on Horace, Odes iii. 27. 21. Plato is speaking here from the point of view of the ordinary man, and not from that of his “Sermon on the Mount ethics.” Cf. Philebus 49 D and Gorgias 480 E, where Gomperz, Greek Thinkers, ii. pp. 332 and 350, goes astray. Cf. Class. Phil. vol. i. p. 297.
Plato, Republic, Book 5, section 460c (search)
apart in a quarter of the city, but the offspring of the inferior, and any of those of the other sort who are born defective, they will properly dispose of in secret,Opinions differ whether this is euphemism for exposure. On the frequency or infrequency of this practice cf. Professor La Rue Van Hook's article in T.A.P.A. vol. li, and that of H. Bolkestein, Class. Phil. vol. xvii. (1922) pp. 222-239. so that no one will know what has become of them.” “That is the condition,” he said, “of preserving the purity of the guardians' breed.” “They will also supervise the nursing of the children, conducting the mothers to the pen when their breasts are full, but employing every deviceCf. on 414 B and Aristotle Poli
Plato, Republic, Book 6, section 486e (search)
to the aspect of the idealI)DE/AN is not exactly “idea.” Cf. Cratyl. 389 B, What Plato Said, p. 358 on Euthyph. 6 D, ibid. p. 560 on Rep. 369 A and p. 585 on Parmen. 130 C-D. Cf. Class. Phil. xx. (1925) p. 347. reality in all things.” “Assuredly.” “Tell me, then, is there any flaw in the argument? Have we not proved the qualities enumerated to be necessary and compatibleLit. “following on upon the other.” Cf. Tim. 27 CE(POME/NWS, Laws 844 E. with one another for the soul that is to have a sufficient and perfect apprehension of reality?”
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