Cicero translated (Prisc. vi. 63), “Quid tu? unde tandem appares, o Socrate? an id quidem non dubium est, quin ab Alcibiade?

φαίνει: make one's appearance (cf. 315 e) was used popularly in the sense of ἥκειν, παρεῖναι. Cf. Xen. Mem. ii. 8. 1πόθεν, ἔφη, Εὔθηρε, φαίνει;

δῆλα: sc. ἐστί, here used adj. (cf. 330 a); not the particle δηλαδή.

κυνηγεσίου: all languages apply the terms of the chase to the pursuit of love. Cf. Soph. 222 d τῇ τῶν ἐρώντων θήρᾳ τὸν νοῦν οὔπω προσέσχες, Xen. Mem. i. 2. 24 Ἀλκιβιάδης δ᾽ αὖ διὰ μὲν κάλλος ὑπὸ πολλῶν καὶ σεμνῶν γυναικῶν θηρώμενος.—This subst. is without a preceding art., just as though the following attribute τοῦ . . . ὥραν were lacking. See H. 668 a.

καλὸς ἀνήρ: pred., cf. 341 a. Others would read ἁνήρ, as subj.; but this anticipates the following ἀνὴρ μέντοι. The youth in Athens, on the completion of his eighteenth year, became legally ἀνήρ (ἐπειδὴ εἰς ἄνδρας δοκιμασθεῖεν Isocr. vii. 37) by registration in the roll of the citizens of his deme.

ὡς . . . εἰρῆσθαι: for the inf. abs. see G. 268; H. 956. Cf. 339 e.—The slight blemish should receive a bare allusion.

αὐτοῖς: in such connections is nearly equiv. to μόνοις. Cf. Parm. 137 a ἐπειδὴ καὶ αὐτοί ἐσμεν, Xen. An. ii. 3. 7 αὐτοῖς τοῖς ἀνδράσι . . . καὶ τοῖς ἄλλοις, Ar. Ach. 504 αὐτοὶ γάρ ἐσμεν, we are by ourselves. Cf. 320 a d, 337 c.

τί τοῦτο: sc. ἐστίν, cf. 310 d. An elliptical formula of daily life, nearly equiv. to τί τοῦτο διαφέρει; 331 c.

οὐ . . . μέντοι: the more common declaration, σὺ μέντοι ἐπαινέτης εἶ, you surely agree with, is expressed interr. with οὐ. Cf. Theaet. 163 e μνήμην οὐ λέγεις μέντοι τι; Phaedr. 229 b, οὐκ ἐνθένδε μέντοι ποθὲν λέγεται Βορέας τὴν Ὠρείθυιαν ἁρπάσαι; Charm. 159 b οὐ τῶν καλῶν μέντοι σωφροσύνη ἐστί;

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