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[653c] up to the very end, and to love what ought to be loved, if you were to mark this part off in your definition and call it “education,” you would be giving it, in my opinion, its right name.

You are quite right, Stranger, as it seems to us, both in what you said before and in what you say now about education.

Very good. Now these forms of child-training, which consist in right discipline in pleasures and pains, grow slack and weakened to a great extent

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