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[682a] Indeed, these verses of his, as well as those he utters concerning the Cyclopes, are in a kind of unison with the voices of both God and Nature. For being divinely inspired in its chanting, the poetic tribe, with the aid of Graces and Muses, often grasps the truth of history.

Clinias
It certainly does.

Athenian
Now let us advance still further in the tale that now engages us; for possibly it may furnish some hint regarding the matter we have in view. Ought we not to do so? [682b]

Clinias
Most certainly.

Athenian
Ilium was founded, we say, after moving from the highlands down to a large and noble plain, on a hill of no great height which had many rivers flowing down from Ida above.

Clinias
So they say.

Athenian
And do we not suppose that this took place many ages after the Deluge?

Clinias
Many ages after, no doubt.

Athenian
At any rate they seem to have been strangely forgetful [682c] of the catastrophe now mentioned, since they placed their city, as described, under a number of rivers descending from the mount, and relied for their safety upon hillocks of no great height.

Clinias
So it is evident that they were removed by quite a long interval from that calamity.

Athenian
By this time, too, as mankind multiplied, many other cities had been founded.

Clinias
Of course.

Athenian
And these cities also made attacks on Ilium, probably by sea too, as well as by land, since by this time all made use of the sea fearlessly.

Clinias
So it appears. [682d]

Athenian
And after a stay of ten years the Achaeans sacked Troy.

Clinias
Very true.

Athenian
Now during this period of ten years, while the siege lasted, the affairs of each of the besiegers at home suffered much owing to the seditious conduct of the young men. For when the soldiers returned to their own cities and homes, [682e] these young people did not receive them fittingly and justly, but in such a way that there ensued a vast number of cases of death, slaughter, and exile. So they, being again driven out, migrated by sea; and because Dorieus1 was the man who then banded together the exiles, they got the new name of “Dorians,” instead of “Achaeans.” But as to all the events that follow this, you Lacedaemonians relate them all fully in your traditions.

Megillus
Quite true.

Athenian
And now—as it were by divine direction—we have returned once more to the very point in our discourse on laws where we made our digression,2 when we plunged into the subject of music and drinking-parties; and we can, so to speak, get a fresh grip upon the argument, now that it has reached this point,—the settlement of Lacedaemon,

1 We do not hear of him elsewhere; and the account here is so vague that it is hard to say what events (or traditions) are alluded to. The usual story is that Dorian invaders drove out the Achaeans from S. Greece (about 900 B.C.)

2 Cp. Plat. Laws 638d.

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