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[452e] that of folly and wrong or sets up any other standard of the beautiful as a mark for his seriousness than the good.” “Most assuredly,” said he.

“Then is not the first thing that we have to agree upon with regard to these proposals whether they are possible or not? And we must throw open the debate1 to anyone who wishes either in jest or earnest to raise the question

1 Cf. 607 Dδοῖμεν . . . λόγον.

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