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[502d] to speak of what remains, in what way, namely, and as a result of what studies and pursuits, these preservers1 of the constitution will form a part of our state, and at what ages they will severally take up each study.” “Yes, we have to speak of that,” he said. “I gained nothing,” I said, “by my cunning2 in omitting heretofore3 the distasteful topic of the possession of women and procreation of children and the appointment of rulers, because I knew that the absolutely true and right way would provoke censure and is difficult of realization;

1 Cf. on 412 A-B and 497 C-D, Laws 960 B. 463 B is not quite relevant.

2 For τὸ σοφόν Cf. Euthydem. 293 D, 297 D, Gorg. 493 A, Herod. v. 18τοῦτο οὐδὲν εἶναι σοφόν, Symp. 214 Aτὸ σύφισμα, Laches 183 D.

3 Cf. 423 E.

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