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[581e] compared with the delight of knowing the truth1 and the reality, and being always occupied with that while he learns? Will he not think them far removed from true pleasure,2 and call3 them literally4 the pleasures of necessity,5 since he would have no use for them if necessity were not laid upon him?” “We may be sure of that,” he said.

“Since, then, there is contention between the several types of pleasure and the lives themselves, not merely as to which is the more honorable or the more base, or the worse or the better, but which is actually the more pleasurable6 or free from pain,

1 Cf. Phileb. 58 C on dialectic.

2 Cf. 598 B, Epist. iii. 315 C, Marc. Aurel. viii. 1πόρρω φιλοσοφίας. Hermann's text or something like it is the only idiomatic one, and τῆς ἡδονῆς οὐ πάνυ πόρρω must express the philosopher's opinion of the pleasurableness of the lower pleasures as compared with the higher. Cf. A.J.P. xiii. p. 366.

3 For the infinitive cf. 492 Cκαὶ φήσειν, 530 Bκαὶ ζητεῖν.

4 τῷ ὄντι marks the etymological use of ἀναγκαίας. Cf. on 511 B and 551 E, p. 266, note a.

5 Cf. 558 D f.

6 This anticipates Laws 663 A, 733 A-B, 734 A-B.

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