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[14e] what they need from us? For it would not be scientific giving to give anyone what he does not need.

You are right, Socrates.

Then holiness would be an art of barter between gods and men?

Yes, of barter, if you like to call it so.

I don't like to call it so, if it is not true. But tell me, what advantage accrues to the gods from the gifts they get from us? For everybody knows what they give,

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