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[8d] if they have really done wrong, they ought not to pay the penalty; but, I think, they say they have not done wrong; do they not?

You are right.

Then they do not argue this point, that the wrongdoer must not pay the penalty; but perhaps they argue about this, who is a wrongdoer, and what he did, and when.

That is true.

Then is not the same thing true of the gods, if they quarrel about right and wrong, as you say, and some say others have done wrong, and some say they have not? For surely, my friend, no one, either of gods or men,

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