[290a]
merchants, shipmasters, and peddlers; do they lay any claim to statesmanship?Younger Socrates
Possibly to commercial statesmanshipStranger
But certainly we shall never find laborers, whom we see only too glad to serve anybody for hire, claiming a share in the kingly art.Younger Socrates
Certainly not.Stranger
But there are people who perform services of another kind. How about them?Younger Socrates
What services and what men do you mean? [290b] Stranger
The class of heralds and those who become by long practice skilled as clerks and other clever men who perform various services in connection with public offices. What shall we call them?Younger Socrates
What you called the others, servants; they are not themselves rulers in the states.Stranger
But surely it was no dream that made me say we should find somewhere in this region those who more than others lay claim to the art of statesmanship; and yet it would be utterly absurd [290c] to look for them in any servile position.Younger Socrates
Certainly.Stranger
But let us draw a little closer still to those whom we have not yet examined. There are men who have to do with divination and possess a portion of a certain menial science; for they are supposed to be interpreters of the gods to men.Younger Socrates
Yes.Stranger
And then, too, the priests, according to law and custom, know how to give the gods, by means of sacrifices, the gifts that please them from us [290d] and by prayers to ask for us the gain of good things from them; now these are both part of a servantÕs art.Younger Socrates
At least they seem to be so.Stranger
At last, then, I think we are, as it were, on the track of our quarry. For the bearing of the priests and prophets is indeed full of pride, and they win high esteem because of the magnitude of their undertakings. In Egypt, for example, no king can rule without being a priest, [290e] and if he happens to have forced his way to the throne from some other class, he must enroll himself in the class of priests afterwards; and among the Greeks, too, you would find that in many states the performance of the greatest public sacrifices is a duty imposed upon the highest officials. Yes, among you Athenians this is very plain, for they say the holiest and most national of the ancient sacrifices are performed by the man whom the lot has chosen to be the King.1Younger Socrates
Yes, certainly.
Possibly to commercial statesmanshipStranger
But certainly we shall never find laborers, whom we see only too glad to serve anybody for hire, claiming a share in the kingly art.Younger Socrates
Certainly not.Stranger
But there are people who perform services of another kind. How about them?Younger Socrates
What services and what men do you mean? [290b] Stranger
The class of heralds and those who become by long practice skilled as clerks and other clever men who perform various services in connection with public offices. What shall we call them?Younger Socrates
What you called the others, servants; they are not themselves rulers in the states.Stranger
But surely it was no dream that made me say we should find somewhere in this region those who more than others lay claim to the art of statesmanship; and yet it would be utterly absurd [290c] to look for them in any servile position.Younger Socrates
Certainly.Stranger
But let us draw a little closer still to those whom we have not yet examined. There are men who have to do with divination and possess a portion of a certain menial science; for they are supposed to be interpreters of the gods to men.Younger Socrates
Yes.Stranger
And then, too, the priests, according to law and custom, know how to give the gods, by means of sacrifices, the gifts that please them from us [290d] and by prayers to ask for us the gain of good things from them; now these are both part of a servantÕs art.Younger Socrates
At least they seem to be so.Stranger
At last, then, I think we are, as it were, on the track of our quarry. For the bearing of the priests and prophets is indeed full of pride, and they win high esteem because of the magnitude of their undertakings. In Egypt, for example, no king can rule without being a priest, [290e] and if he happens to have forced his way to the throne from some other class, he must enroll himself in the class of priests afterwards; and among the Greeks, too, you would find that in many states the performance of the greatest public sacrifices is a duty imposed upon the highest officials. Yes, among you Athenians this is very plain, for they say the holiest and most national of the ancient sacrifices are performed by the man whom the lot has chosen to be the King.1Younger Socrates
Yes, certainly.
