Plato, Philebus, section 44b

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[44b] as we said just now, three states, or that there are only two—pain, which is an evil to mankind, and freedom from pain, which is of itself a good and is called pleasure?

Protarchus
Why do we ask ourselves that question now, Socrates? I do not understand.

Socrates
No, Protarchus, for you certainly do not understand about the enemies of our friend Philebus.

Protarchus
Whom do you mean?

Socrates
Certain men who are said to be master thinkers about nature, and who deny the existence of pleasures altogether.

Protarchus
Is it possible?

Plato. Plato in Twelve Volumes, Vol. 9 translated by Harold N. Fowler. Cambridge, MA, Harvard University Press; London, William Heinemann Ltd. 1925.

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