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[44e] and ask whether, if we wished to discover the nature of any class—take the hard, for instance—we should be more likely to learn it by looking at the hardest things or at the least hard. Now you, Protarchus, must reply to them as you have been replying to me.

By all means, and I say to them that we should look at the greatest things.

Then if we wished to discover what the nature of pleasure is, we should look, not at the smallest pleasures,

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