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[55c] when he feels pleasure, the more excellent in virtue the greater the pleasure he feels?

All that, Socrates, is the height of absurdity.

Now let us not undertake to subject pleasure to every possible test and then be found to give mind and knowledge very gentle treatment. Let us rather strike them boldly everywhere to see if their metal rings unsound at any point; so we shall find out what is by nature purest in them, and then we can make use of the truest elements of these and of pleasure to form our judgement of both.


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