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Socrates
Well, so much at least has been admitted, that it is not one which would help us to make a single one of our possessions better, but one which would help to make ourselves so?

Alcibiades
That is true.

Socrates
Now, should we ever have known what art makes a shoe better, if we had not known a shoe?

Alcibiades
Impossible.

Socrates
Nor could we know what art makes rings better, if we had no cognizance of a ring.

Alcibiades
True.

Socrates
Well then, could we ever know what art makes the man himself better, if we were ignorant of what we are ourselves?


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