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[131a]

Alcibiades
So it seems.

Socrates
And anyone who gets to know something belonging to the body knows the things that are his, but not himself.

Alcibiades
That is so.

Socrates
Then no physician, in so far as he is a physician, knows himself, nor does any trainer, in so far as he is a trainer.

Alcibiades
It seems not.

Socrates
And farmers, and craftsmen generally, are far from knowing themselves. For these people, it would seem, do not even know their own things, but only things still more remote than their own things, in respect of the arts which they follow; since they know


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