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[164c] or harmful without knowing the effect of his own action; and yet, in doing what was helpful, by your statement, he has done temperately. Or did you not state that?

I did.

Then it would seem that in doing what is helpful he may sometimes do temperately and be temperate, but be ignorant of his own temperance?

But that, he said, Socrates, could never be: if you think this in any way a necessary inference from my previous admissions,

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