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[300b] that this is what you are doing.

Why, asked Dionysodorus, may there not be a speaking of the silent?

By no means whatever, replied Ctesippus.

Nor a silence of speaking?

Still less, he said.

Now, when you speak of stones and timbers and irons, are you not speaking of the silent?

Not if I walk by a smithy, for there, as they say, the irons speak and cry aloud, when they are touched; so here your wisdom has seduced you into nonsense. But come, you have still to propound me your second point,

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