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Callicles
Yes.Socrates
But still he does not cease to have the good and bad at the same time, as you agreed; and now, you do not agree?Callicles
I do; and what then?Socrates
Only that we get the result, my friend, that the good things are not the same as the pleasant, nor the bad as the painful. For with the one pair the cessation is of both at once, but with the other two it is not, since they are distinct. How then can pleasant things be the same as good, or painful things as bad? Or if you like, consider it another way—for I fancy that even after that you do not admit it. Just observe: do you not call good people good owing to the presence of good things,
Yes.Socrates
But still he does not cease to have the good and bad at the same time, as you agreed; and now, you do not agree?Callicles
I do; and what then?Socrates
Only that we get the result, my friend, that the good things are not the same as the pleasant, nor the bad as the painful. For with the one pair the cessation is of both at once, but with the other two it is not, since they are distinct. How then can pleasant things be the same as good, or painful things as bad? Or if you like, consider it another way—for I fancy that even after that you do not admit it. Just observe: do you not call good people good owing to the presence of good things,