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[501e] Callicles, aiming only at our pleasure, and caring for naught else ?

It does seem so to me.

And so too with all similar pursuits, such as harp-playing in the contests?


And what of choral productions and dithyrambic compositions? Are they not manifestly, in your view, of the same kind? Or do you suppose Cinesias,1 son of Meles, cares a jot about trying to say things of a sort that might be improving to his audience,

1 A dithyrambic poet whose extravagant style was ridiculed by Aristophanes (Aristoph. Frogs 153; Aristoph. Cl. 333; Aristoph. Birds 1379).

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