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[502c] she is bent rather upon pleasure and the gratification of the spectators.

Well now, that kind of thing, Callicles, did we say just now, is flattery ?


Pray then, if we strip any kind of poetry of its melody, its rhythm and its meter, we get mere speeches as the residue, do we not?

That must be so.

And those speeches are spoken to a great crowd of people?


Hence poetry is a kind of public speaking.

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