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[350b] than before learning.

But you must have seen at times, I said, persons who are without knowledge of any of these affairs, yet behaving boldly in each of them.

I have, he said, and very boldly too.

Then are these bold ones courageous also?

Nay, that would make courage a base thing, he replied; for those you speak of are out of their senses.

What then, I asked, do you mean by courageous men? Surely the same as bold men?

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