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μαχομένων—imperf.; cf. c. 62, 5. εἴπερ γε—‘yes if,’ taking up τῶν . . ἐστίν, exactly as in dramatic dialogue the retort is apt to catch up the question. (I have put a note of interrogation at ἐστίν in place of the usual full stop, because the remark seems to be a query as well as a denial: ‘then they are not . . ?’） ἀλλ᾽ ἡμεῖς γε—‘nay, but we.’ καὶ μὲν δὴ . . γε—‘why I assure you it was with these’; for the particles cf. Plato, Symp. 197 Α καὶ μὲν δὴ τήν γε τῶν ζῳων ποίησιν.
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