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XII. Socrates' preliminary Discussion with Agathon: 199 C-201 D.

(1) “Your exordium on Method was admirable, Agathon. But tell me further, is Eros a relative notion, like ‘father’ or ‘brother’?” “Certainly it is.”

(2) “Next, you agree that if Eros desires its object it must lack it; and if a man wishes for some good he already possesses, what he really desires is what he lacks, viz. the future possession of that good.” “True.”

(3) “Again, if Eros is (as you said) love for beauty, Eros must lack beauty, and therefore goodness too, and be neither beautiful nor good.” “I cannot gainsay you.”

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