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66. χωρίς. Soph. O.C. 808 χωρὶς τό τ᾽ εἰπεῖν πολλὰ καὶ τὰ καίρια. ‘In talibus locis δίχα, χωρίς etc. non, ut vulgo, seiunctionem et separationem, sed diversitatem et oppositionem significant’ (Kroschel). The usage is frequent in Plato. δημηγορεῖν is contionari—platform oratory.

68. ὁρᾷς. Almost like our colloquial ‘don't you know’ (when used parenthetically and without interrogative force): the ἀλλά belongs in strict logic to δίκαια δοκεῖ λέγειν. Heindorf quotes parallels from Aristophanes, e.g. Peace, 330-1 οὐκἂν ὀρχησαίμεθ᾽, εἴπερ ὠφελήσαιμέν τί σε. ἀλλ᾽ ὁρᾶτ᾽, οὔπω πέπαυσθε. Where ὁρᾷς or ὁρᾶτε stand in this way as the first word of a sentence, editors generally regard the usage as interrogative, e.g. Eur. Orest. 581 ὁρᾷς; Ὀδυσσέως ἄλοχον οὐ κατέκτανε.

70. καὶ σύ. So the original hand in T: B has καί σοι. If we read καὶ σοί, the construction is ἀξιῶν αὑτῷ τε ἐξεῖναι διαλέγεσθαι ὅπως βούλεται καὶ σοὶ ἐξεῖναι κτλ., but Protagoras has nowhere asked that Socrates should be permitted to converse as he likes: quite the contrary. With σύ the construction is καὶ σὺ δίκαια δοκεῖς λέγειν ἀξιῶν διαλέγεσθαι ὅπως ἂν κτλ., i.e. and your demand that Protagoras should converse as you wish likewise seems fair. Protagoras asked to be allowed to use his own style in 335A Socrates requested that Protagoras should converse as Socrates wished in 334D 335C 335E Alcibiades' defence of Socrates in the next chapter seems also to imply the reading σύ here. The only objection to this view lies in the position of τε after αὑτῷ: we should expect it to follow Πρωταγόρας. τε is however frequently misplaced (see above on 316D. σοί can only be retained if we either (1) take καὶ σοί as altogether independent of ἀξιῶν— which is barely possible, or (2) regard Plato as guilty of inaccurate writing.

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