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ἀμφότερα -- ἡδονή. Does Plato mean that the neutral state will sometimes be both painful and pleasant at one and the same time,—or only at one time painful and at another pleasant? According to Gorg. 497 C ff., in eating when hungry, drinking when thirsty etc., we cease from pain and pleasure simultaneously, so that in such a case the neutral state will appear to be both pleasant and painful. But the rest of the argument does not support this interpretation; and in the corresponding passage of the Philebus (43 D) we have τὸ δὲ μηδέτερα τούτων ἔσθ᾽ ἡμῖν ὅπως θάτερα γένοιτ᾽ ἄν. The simpler view should therefore be adopted. κίνησις. In Pleasure the κίνησις is πλήρωσις, in pain, κένωσις, as is afterwards pointed out (585 A note).
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