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[104] You see how Epicurus proceeds from admitted premises to the proposition to be established. But this you Stoic logicians do not do; for you not only do not assume premises which everybody concedes, but you even assume premises which, if granted, do not tend in the least to establish what you wish to prove. For you start with this assumption: ' If there are gods they are kindly disposed towards men.' Now who will grant you that? Epicurus? But he says that the gods do not trouble a whit about themselves or [p. 489] about anybody else. Is it our own Ennius? But he says with general approval and applause1
I always said that there were gods on high,
And this I never will neglect to say;
But my opinion is they do not care
What destiny befalls the human race.
To be sure he proceeds to give the reason for his opinion in succeeding lines, but there is no need to repeat them. Enough has been shown to make it clear that your Stoic friends assume as certain what is the subject of doubt and discussion.

1 In his Telamon. The succeeding line is quoted in Cic. N.D. iii. 32. 79 nam si curent, bene bonis sit, male malis; quod nunc abest.

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