advantage of the established government. This I presume you will admit holds
power and is strong, so that, if one reasons rightly, it works out that the
just is the same thing everywhere,1 the advantage of the stronger.”
“Now,” said I, “I have learned your meaning,
but whether it is true or not I have to try to learn. The advantageous,
then, is also your reply, Thrasymachus, to the question, what is the
just—though you forbade me to give that answer.
1 Thrasymachus makes it plain that he, unlike Meno (71 E), Euthyphro (5 ff.), Laches
(191 E), Hippias (Hippias Major 286 ff.), and even
Theaetetus (146 C-D) at first, understands the nature of a
Plato. Plato in Twelve Volumes, Vols. 5 & 6 translated by Paul Shorey. Cambridge, MA, Harvard University Press; London, William Heinemann Ltd. 1969.
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