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Yes, we must.

Now see what there is about the pleasures which are related to certain diseases.

What diseases?

Repulsive diseases which the philosophers of dislike whom we mentioned utterly abominate.

What are the pleasures?

For instance, the relief of the itch and the like by scratching, no other treatment being required. For in HeavenÕs name what shall we say the feeling is which we have in this case? Is it pleasure or pain?

I think, Socrates, it is a mixed evil.

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