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But what pleasures, Socrates, may rightly be considered true?

Those arising from what are called beautiful colors, or from forms, most of those that arise from odors and sounds, in short all those the want of which is unfelt and painless, whereas the satisfaction furnished by them is felt by the senses, pleasant, and unmixed with pain.

Once more, Socrates, what do you mean by this?

My meaning is certainly not clear at the first glance,

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