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1411. With verbs of hearing from and the like the genitive is probably ablatival rather than partitive (1364): ““ἐμοῦ ἀκούσεσθε πᾶσαν τὴν ἀλήθειανfrom me you shall hear the whole truthP. A. 17b, ““τούτων πυνθάνομαι ὅτι οὐκ ἄβατόν ἐστι τὸ ὄροςI learn from these men that the mountain is not impassableX. A. 4.6.17, τοιαῦτά ““του παρόντος ἔκλυονsuch a tale I heard from some one who was presentS. El. 424, ““εἰδέναι δέ σου χρῄζωI desire to know of theeS. El. 668.

a. Usually (except with πυνθάνεσθαι) we have παρά (ἀπό rarely), ἐξ or πρός (in poetry and Hdt.) with verbs of hearing from.

b. The genitive with εἶναι in ““πατρὸς δ᾽ εἴμ᾽ ἀγαθοῖοI am of a good fatherΦ 109, ““τοιούτων μέν ἐστε προγόνωνof such ancestors are youX. A. 3.2.13 is often regarded as a genitive of source, but is probably possessive.

GENITIVE WITH ADJECTIVES

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