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Shall we agree that there is such a thing as learning music and the sciences of handicraft in general?

Younger Socrates
There is.

And how about this? Shall we say that there is another science connected with those, which tells whether we ought or ought not to learn any one of then?

Younger Socrates
Yes, we shall say that there is.

And shall we agree that this is different from those?

Younger Socrates

And shall we say that none of them ought to have control of any other,

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