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[44a] and consider it so.

Protarchus
Certainly.

Socrates
Do they, then, think they feel pleasure whenever they are not in pain?

Protarchus
That is what they say.

Socrates
Then they do think they feel pleasure at such times; for otherwise they would not say so.

Protarchus
Most likely.

Socrates
Certainly, then, they have a false opinion about pleasure, if there is an essential difference between feeling pleasure and not feeling pain.

Protarchus
And we certainly found that difference.

Socrates
Then shall we adopt the view that there are,


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