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[269c] they had discovered rhetoric, and believe that by teaching these preliminaries to others they have taught them rhetoric completely, and that the persuasive use of these details and the composition of the whole discourse is a small matter which their pupils must supply of themselves in their writings or speeches.”

Phaedrus
Well, Socrates, it does seem as if that which those men teach and write about as the art of rhetoric were such as you describe. I think


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