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[507c] while the ideas can be thought but not seen.” “By all means.” “With which of the parts of ourselves, with which of our faculties, then, do we see visible things?” “With sight,” he said. “And do we not,” I said, “hear audibles with hearing, and perceive all sensibles with the other senses?” “Surely.” “Have you ever observed,” said I, “how much the greatest expenditure the creator1 of the senses has lavished on the faculty of seeing and being seen?2 “Why, no, I have not,” he said. “Well, look at it thus. Do hearing and voice stand in need of another medium3 so that the one may hear and the other be heard,

1 Creator,δημιουργός, God, the gods, and nature, are all virtual synonyms in such passages.

2 Cf. Phaedr. 259 D, Tim. 45 B.

3 This is literature, not science. Plato knew that sound required a medium, Tim. 67 B. But the statement here is true enough to illustrate the thought.

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