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[683e] if anyone should try to wreck their kingdoms.

Megillus
Quite so.

Athenian
Is the dissolution of a kingdom, or of any government that has ever yet been dissolved, caused by any other agency than that of the rulers themselves? Or, though we made this assertion a moment ago when we happened upon this subject, have we now forgotten it?1

Megillus
How could we possibly have forgotten?

Athenian
Shall we further confirm that assertion now? For we have come to the same view now, as it appears, in dealing with facts of history; so that we shall be examining it with reference not to a mere abstraction,

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