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Clinias
Most certainly.

Athenian
But if they cannot be thus measured by any way or means, while, as I said, all we Greeks imagine that they can, are we not right in being ashamed for them all, and saying to them, “O most noble Greeks, this is one of those ‘necessary’ things which we said1 it is disgraceful not to know, although there is nothing very grand in knowing such things.”

Clinias
Of course.

Athenian
In addition to these there are other matters, closely related to them,

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