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[831b] and that is a far greater evil than the other for a State.

Clinias
We, at least, Stranger, would certainly agree that every State should both ordain and practice these things.

Athenian
Are we all aware of the reason why such choristry and such contests do not at present exist anywhere in the States, except to a very small extent? Shall we say that this is due to the ignorance of the populace and of those who legislate for them?

Clinias
Possibly.

Athenian
Not so, by any means, my ingenious Clinias! What we ought to say

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