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[840c] and sentences and songs.

Clinias
What victory?

Athenian
Victory over pleasures,—which if they win, they will live a life of bliss, but if they lose, the very opposite. Furthermore, will not the dread that this is a thing utterly unholy give them power to master those impulses which men inferior to themselves have mastered?

Clinias
It is certainly reasonable to suppose so.

Athenian
Now that we have reached this point in regard to our regulation,

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