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Plato, Parmenides, section 128e (search)
and when it was written some one stole it, so that I could not even consider whether it should be published or not. So, Socrates, you are not aware of this and you think that the cause of its composition was not the controversial spirit of a young man, but the ambition of an old one. In other respects, as I said, you guessed its meaning pretty well.”“I see,” said Socrates, “and I accept your explanation. But tell me, do you not believe there is an idea of likeness in the abstract,
and when it was written some one stole it, so that I could not even consider whether it should be published or not. So, Socrates, you are not aware of this and you think that the cause of its composition was not the controversial spirit of a young man, but the ambition of an old one. In other respects, as I said, you guessed its meaning pretty well.”“I see,” said Socrates, “and I accept your explanation. But tell me, do you not believe there is an idea of likeness i
Plato, Parmenides, section 130a (search)
this same multifarious and perplexing entanglement which you described in visible objects.”Pythodorus said that he thought at every word, while Socrates was saying this, Parmenides and Zeno would be angry, but they paid close attention to him and frequently looked at each other and smiled, as if in admiration of Socrates, and whenin visible objects.”Pythodorus said that he thought at every word, while Socrates was saying this, Parmenides and Zeno would be angry, but they paid close attention to him and frequently looked at each other and smiled, as if in admiration of Socrates, and when he stopped speaking Parmenides expressed their approval. “Socrates,”
in visible objects.”Pythodorus said that he thought at every word, while Socrates was saying this, Parmenides and Zeno would be angry, but they paid close attention to him and frequently looked at each other and smiled, as if in admiration of Socrates, and when he stopped speaking Parmenides expressed their approval. “Socrat
Plato, Parmenides, section 130b (search)
he said, “what an admirable talent for argument you have! Tell me, did you invent this distinction yourself, which separates abstract ideas from the things which partake of them? And do you think there is such a thing as abstract likeness apart from the likeness which we possess, and abstract one and many, and the other abstractions of which you heard Zeno speaking just now?”“Yes, I do,” said Socrates.“And also,” said Parmenides, “abstract ideas of the just, the beautiful, the good, and all such conceptions?”“
Plato, Parmenides, section 130d (search)
with which we have to do, or not?”“By no means,” said Socrates. “No, I think these things are such as they appear to us, and it would be quite absurd to believe that there is an idea of them; and yet I am sometimes disturbed by the thought that perhaps what is true of one thing is true of all. Then when I have taken up this position, I run away for fear of falling into some abyss of nonsense and perishing; so when I come to those things which we were just saying do have ideas, I stay and busy myself with
Plato, Parmenides, section 130e (search)
“Yes, for you are still young,” said Parmenides, “and philosophy has not yet taken hold upon you, Socrates, as I think it will later. Then you will not despise them; but now you still consider people's opinions, on account of your youth. Well, tell me do you think that, as you say, there are ideas, and that these other things which partake of them are named from
Plato, Parmenides, section 131a (search)
as, for instance, those that partake of likeness become like, those that partake of greatness great, those that partake of beauty and justice just and beautiful?”“Certainly,” said Socrates.“Well then, does each participant object partake of the whole idea, or of a part of it? Or could there be some other third kind of participation?”“How could there be?” said he.“Do you think the whole idea, being one, is in each of the many participants, or what?”“Yes, for what prevents it from being in them,artake of likeness become like, those that partake of greatness great, those that partake of beauty and justice just and beautiful?”“Certainly,” said Socrates.“Well then, does each participant object partake of the whole idea, or of a part of it? Or could there be some other third kind of participation?”“How could there be?” said he.“Do you think the whole idea, being one, is in each of the many participants, or what?”“Yes, for what prevents it from being in them, Parmenides?”
Plato, Parmenides, section 131b (search)
“Then while it is one and the same, the whole of it would be in many separate individuals at once, and thus it would itself be separate from itself.”“No,” he replied, “for it might be like day, which is one and the same, is in many places at once, and yet is not separated from itself; so each idea, though one and the same, might be in all its participants at once.”“That,” said he, “is very neat, Socrates you make one to be in many places at once, just as if you should spread a sail over many persons and then should say it was one and all of
Plato, Parmenides, section 131c (search)
Is not that about what you mean?”“Perhaps it is,” said Socrates.“Would the whole sail be over each person, or a particular part over each?”“A part over each.”“Then,” said he, “the ideas themselves, Socrates, are divisible into parts, and the objects which partake of them would partake of a part, and in each of them there would be Socrates, are divisible into parts, and the objects which partake of them would partake of a part, and in each of them there would be not the whole, but only a part of each idea.”“So it appears.”“Are you, then, Socrates, willing to assert that the one idea is really divided and will still be one?”“By no means,” he replied.“No,” said Parmenides, “for if you divide absolute greatness,
ich partake of them would partake of a part, and in each of them there would be not the whole, but only a part of each idea.”“So it appears.”“Are you, then, Socrates, willing to assert that the one idea is really divided and will still be one?”“By no means,” he replied.“No,
Plato, Parmenides, section 131e (search)
not greater, than before.”“That,” said he, “is impossible.”“How, then, Socrates, will other things partake of those ideas of yours, if they cannot partake of them either as parts or as wholes?”“By Zeus,” he replied, “I think that is a very hard question to determine.”“Well, what do you th
Plato, Parmenides, section 132b (search)
and another again in addition to these, by reason of which they are all great; and each of your ideas will no longer be one, but their number will be infinite.”“But, Parmenides,” said Socrates, “each of these ideas may be only a thought, which can exist only in our minds then each might be one, without being exposed to the consequences you have just mentioned.”“But,” he said, “is each thought one, but a thought of nothing?”“That is impossible,” he replied.“B