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by the names that are naturally right. Do you not think so?HermogenesOf course I know that if they call things, they call them rightly. But what are these instances to which you refer?SocratesDo you not know that he says about the river in Troy which had the single combat with Hephaestus,Hom. Il. 21.342-380whom the gods call Xanthus, but men call ScamanderHom. Il. 20.74?HermogenesOh yes.
by the names that are naturally right. Do you not think so?HermogenesOf course I know that if they call things, they call them rightly. But what are these instances to which you refer?SocratesDo you not know that he says about the river in Troy which had the single combat with Hephaestus,Hom. Il. 21.342-380whom the gods call Xanthus, but men call ScamanderHom. Il. 20.74?HermogenesOh yes.
SocratesWell, do you not think this is a grand thing to know, that the name of that river is rightly Xanthus, rather than Scamander? Or, if you like, do you think it is a slight thing to learn about the bird which he says gods call chalcis, but men call cymindis,Hom. Il. 14.291 that it is much more correct for the same bird to be called chalcis than cymindis? Or to learn that the hill men call Batieia is called by the gods Myrina's tomb,Hom. Il. 2.813 f and many other such statements by Homer and other poets?
SocratesWell, do you not think this is a grand thing to know, that the name of that river is rightly Xanthus, rather than Scamander? Or, if you like, do you think it is a slight thing to learn about the bird which he says gods call chalcis, but men call cymindis,Hom. Il. 14.291 that it is much more correct for the same bird to be called chalcis than cymindis? Or to learn that the hill men call Batieia is called by the gods Myrina's tomb,Hom. Il. 2.813 f and many other such statements by Homer and other poets?
HermogenesI cannot say.SocratesLook at it in this way: suppose you were asked, “Do the wise or the unwise give names more correctly?”Hermogenes“The wise, obviously,” I should say.SocratesAnd do you think the women or the men of a city, regarded as a class in general, are the wiser?HermogenesThe men.SocratesAnd do you not know that Homer says the child of Hector was called Astyanax by the men of Troy;Hom. Il.
Hector (New York, United States) (search for this): text Crat., section 392e
He alone defended their city and long walls.Hom. Il. 22.507But the verb is in the second person, addressed by Hecuba to Hector after his death. Therefore, as it seems, it is right to call the son of the defender Astyanax (Lord of the city), ruler of that which his father, as Homer says, defended.HermogenesThat is clear to me.SocratesIndeed? I do not yet understand about it myself, Hermogenes. Do you?HermogenesNo, by Zeus, I do not.
Troy (Massachusetts, United States) (search for this): text Crat., section 395a
HermogenesSo it seems, Socrates.SocratesAnd his father's name also appears to be in accordance with nature.HermogenesIt seems so.SocratesYes, for Agamemnon (admirable for remaining) is one who would resolve to toil to the end and to endure, putting the finish upon his resolution by virtue. And a proof of this is his long retention of the host at Troy and his endurance. So the name Agamemnon denotes that this man is admirable for remaining.
Zena (Oregon, United States) (search for this): text Crat., section 396a
for the name of Zeus is exactly like a sentence; we divide it into two parts, and some of us use one part, others the other; for some call him Zena (*zh=na), and others Dia (*di/a); but the two in combination express the nature of the god, which is just what we said a name should be able to do. For certainly no one is so much the author of life (zh=n) for us and all others as the ruler and king of all.
Uranus (Alaska, United States) (search for this): text Crat., section 396b
Thus this god is correctly named, through whom (di' o(/n) all living beings have the gift of life (zh=n). But, as I say, the name is divided, though it is one name, into the two parts, Dia and Zena. And it might seem, at first hearing, highly irreverent to call him the son of Cronus and reasonable to say that Zeus is the offspring of some great intellect; and so he is, for ko/ros (for *kro/nos) signifies not child, but the purity (kaqaro/n) and unblemished nature of his mind. And Cronus, according to tradition, is the son of Uranus; but the upward gaze is rightly called by the name urania (ou)rani/a),
Zena (Oregon, United States) (search for this): text Crat., section 396b
Thus this god is correctly named, through whom (di' o(/n) all living beings have the gift of life (zh=n). But, as I say, the name is divided, though it is one name, into the two parts, Dia and Zena. And it might seem, at first hearing, highly irreverent to call him the son of Cronus and reasonable to say that Zeus is the offspring of some great intellect; and so he is, for ko/ros (for *kro/nos) signifies not child, but the purity (kaqaro/n) and unblemished nature of his mind. And Cronus, according to tradition, is the son of Uranus; but the upward gaze is rightly called by the name urania (ou)rani/a),
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