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[676a]

Athenian
So much for that, then! Now, what are we to say about the origin of government? Would not the best and easiest way of discerning it be from this standpoint?

Clinias
What standpoint?

Athenian
That from which one should always observe the progress of States as they move towards either goodness or badness.

Clinias
What point is that?

Athenian
The observation, as I suppose, of an infinitely long period of time

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