Plato, Philebus, section 12a

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[12a] but the life of pleasure is victor over the life of wisdom.

Protarchus
Yes.

Socrates
But if it is more akin to wisdom, then wisdom is victorious and pleasure is vanquished? Do you agree to that? Or what do you say?

Protarchus
Yes, I at least am satisfied with that.

Socrates
But how about you, Philebus? What do you say?

Philebus
I think and always shall think that pleasure is the victor. But you, Protarchus, will make your own decision.

Protarchus
Since you entrusted the argument to me, Philebus, you can no longer dictate whether to make the agreement with Socrates or not.

Plato. Plato in Twelve Volumes, Vol. 9 translated by Harold N. Fowler. Cambridge, MA, Harvard University Press; London, William Heinemann Ltd. 1925.

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