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480 BC (search for this): text Menex., section 236a
for these are my two instructors, the one in music, the other in rhetoric. So it is not surprising that a man who is trained like me should be clever at speaking. But even a man less well taught than I, who had learnt his music from Lamprus and his rhetoric from Antiphon the Rhamnusian,Antiphon, born in 480 B.C., was the first of the ten great Attic Orators.—even such a one, I say, could none the less win credit by praising Athenians before an Athenian audience.MenexenusWhat, then, would you have to say, if you were required to speak?SocratesNothing, perhaps, myself of my own invention;