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Alcibiades
Of course.Socrates
And you call talking and using speech the same thing, I suppose.Alcibiades
To be sure.Socrates
But the user and the thing he uses are different, are they not?Alcibiades
How do you mean?Socrates
For instance, I suppose a shoemaker uses a round tool, and a square one, and others, when he cuts.Alcibiades
Yes.Socrates
And the cutter and user is quite different from what he uses in cutting?Alcibiades
Of course.Socrates
And in the same way what the harper uses in harping will be different from the harper himself?Alcibiades
Yes.Socrates
Well then, that is what I was asking just now—whether the user
Of course.Socrates
And you call talking and using speech the same thing, I suppose.Alcibiades
To be sure.Socrates
But the user and the thing he uses are different, are they not?Alcibiades
How do you mean?Socrates
For instance, I suppose a shoemaker uses a round tool, and a square one, and others, when he cuts.Alcibiades
Yes.Socrates
And the cutter and user is quite different from what he uses in cutting?Alcibiades
Of course.Socrates
And in the same way what the harper uses in harping will be different from the harper himself?Alcibiades
Yes.Socrates
Well then, that is what I was asking just now—whether the user
