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Speech of Phaedrus

ἀξιομνημόνευτον. We should expect rather the plural. We must suppose that the sentence is slightly confused, the original idea being to put δὲ μάλιστα ἔδοξέ μοι ἀξιομνημόνευτα (ταῦτα ἐρῶ), which was altered owing to the insertion, as an afterthought, of καὶ ὧν: then, instead of proceeding ὧν ἔδοξέ μοι ἄξιον τὸ μεμνῆσθαι (or μεμνῆσθαι τοῦ λόγου), the word originally in mind was put down, but in the sing.: but it is tempting to restore either ἀξιομνημόνευτ᾽ εἶναι (supposing εἶναι to be corrupted from a compendium), or ἄξιον μνημονεύειν. Prot. 343 A (ῥήματα βραχέα ἀξιομνημόνευτα) is the only other instance of the word in Plato: there may be an echo of the present passage in Xen. Symp. I. 1 ἐμοὶ δοκεῖ τῶν καλῶν κἀγαθῶν ἀνδρῶν ἔργα...ἀξιομνημόνευτα εἶναι. For the significance of the statement here made by Apollod., see Introd. § II. B (g).

Πρῶτον μὲν γὰρ κτλ. For the discourse of Phaedrus (178 A—180 B) see Introd. § I. (analysis), § III. (1).

ὥσπερ λέγω. “As has been stated”: the present tense (186 E, 193 A, etc.) is commoner than the past tense (εἶπον 173 C, 182 D, etc.) in this formula. The reference is to 177 D.

ἐνθένδε ποθὲν. “Roughly at this point,” hinc fere: the combination recurs 199 C, Phaedrus 229 B, Euthyd. 275 E; so ἐντεῦθέν ποθεν Phaedrus 270 A, Rep. 524 C.

κατὰ τἠν γένεσιν. “In respect of his origin.”

ἐν τοῖς πρεσβύτατον. For the doctrine of the antiquity of Eros, cp. Xen. Symp. VIII. 1 τῷ μὲν χρόνῳ ἰσήλικος τοῖς ἀειγενέσι θεοῖς...Ἔρωτος: Ar. Av. 700 πρότερον δ᾽ οὐκ ἦν γένος ἀθανάτων, πρὶν Ἔρως συνέμιξεν ἅπαντα. Agathon, in 195 A, expressly contradicts Phaedrus on this point. Bast excised δ᾽ ὅς on the ground that “in fine periodi Platonicae non magis usurpatur quam inquit Latinorum.”

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