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[607e] for it will be clear gain for us if it can be shown that she bestows not only pleasure but benefit.” “How could we help being the gainers?” said he. “But if not, my friend, even as men who have fallen in love, if they think that the love is not good for them, hard though it be,1 nevertheless refrain, so we, owing to the love of this kind of poetry inbred in us by our education in these fine2 polities of ours,

1 βίᾳ μέν, ὅμως δέ: Cf. Epist. iii. 316 E, and vii. 325 A, and Raeder, Rhein. Mus. lxi. p. 470, Aristoph.Clouds 1363μόλις μὲν ἀλλ᾽ ὅμως, Eurip.Phoen. 1421μόλις μέν, ἐξέτεινε δ᾽, and also Soph.Antig. 1105, O.T. 998, Eurip.Bacch. 1027, Hec. 843, Or. 1023, El. 753, Phoen. 1069, I.A. 688, 904.

2 Ironical, as καλλίστη in 562 A.

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