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[402e] “I understand,” I said, “that you have or have had favorites of this sort and I grant your distinction. But tell me this—can there be any communion between soberness and extravagant pleasure1?” “How could there be,” he said, “since such pleasure puts a man beside himself

1 Extravagant pleasure is akin to madness. Cf. Philebus 47 A-C, Phaedo 83 C-D.

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