οὐδέ (μηδέ) with other Negatives
[*] 2937.
οὐδὲ . . . οὐδέ commonly means
not even . . . nor yet (or
no,
nor), the first
οὐδέ being adverbial, the second conjunctive.
οὐδὲ . . . οὐδέ is not correlative, like
οὔτε . . . οὔτε, and hence never means
neither . . . nor. Thus,
οὐδὲ ἥλιον οὐδὲ σελήνην ἄρα νομίζω θεοὺς εἶναι;
do I then hold that not even the sun nor yet the moon are gods? P. A. 26c, ““
σύ γε οὐδὲ ὁρῶν γιγνώσκεις οὐδὲ ἀκούων μέμνησαι”
you do not even understand though you see, nor yet do you remember though you hear”
X. A. 3.1.27.
οὐδὲ . . . οὐδέ both copulative (
and not . . nor yet) in
X. C. 3.3.50.
οὐδὲ . . . οὐδὲ . . . δέ is the negative of
καὶ . . . καὶ . . . δέ in
X. A. 1.8.20.
a. So in both members of comparative sentences (cp.
καί 2885); as ““
ὥσπερ οὐδὲ γεωργοῦ ἀ_ργοῦ οὐδὲν ὄφελος, οὕτως οὐδὲ στρατηγοῦ ἀ_ργοῦντος οὐδὲν ὄφελος”
as there is no good in an idle tiller of the soil, so there is no good in an idle general”
X. C. 1.3.18.
[*] 2938.
οὐδὲ γὰρ οὐδέ (negative of
καὶ γὰρ καί); as ““
οὐδὲ γὰρ οὐδὲ τοῦτο ἐψεύσατο”
for neither did he deceive me even in this”
X. C. 7.2.20. Here the first
οὐδέ negatives the whole sentence, the second
οὐδέ negatives
τοῦτο.
[*] 2939.
ου᾽ . . . οὐδέ:
οὐδέ not even as well as nor (
2933) may resume a preceding
οὐ. Thus,
ὕβριν γὰρ οὐ στέργουσιν οὐδὲ δαίμονες lit.
not even the gods do not love insolence S. Tr. 280, ““
οὐ μέντοι ἔφη νομίζειν οὐδ᾽ ει᾽ παμπόνηρος ἦν Δέξιππος βίᾳ χρῆναι πάσχειν αὐτόν”
he said however that he did not think that, even if Dexippus was a downright rascal, he ought to suffer by an act of violence”
X. A. 6.6.25, ““
οὐ δεῖ δὴ τοιοῦτον . . . καιρὸν ἀφεῖναι οὐδὲ παθεῖν ταὐτὸν ὅπερ . . . πεπόνθατε”
we must not let such an opportunity go by nor suffer the same as you have suffered”
D. 1.8.
ου᾽ μέντοι οὐδέ not by any means however. On
ου᾽ μὴν οὐδέ see
2768.
[*] 2940.
οὐδὲ . . . οὐ:
οὐδέ may be resumed by
οὐ; as ““
οὐδέ γε ὁ ἰδίᾳ πονηρὸς οὐκ ἂν γένοιτο δημοσίᾳ χρηστός”
nor can the man who is bad in his private life prove himself good in a public capacity”
Aes. 3.78.
[*] 2941.
οὐδὲ . . . οὔτε is rare (
P. Charm. 171b).
