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οὐδέ (μηδέ) with other Negatives

2937. οὐδὲ . . . οὐδέ commonly means not even . . . nor yet (or no, nor), the first οὐδέ being adverbial, the second conjunctive. οὐδὲ . . . οὐδέ is not correlative, like οὔτε . . . οὔτε, and hence never means neither . . . nor. Thus, οὐδὲ ἥλιον οὐδὲ σελήνην ἄρα νομίζω θεοὺς εἶναι; do I then hold that not even the sun nor yet the moon are gods? P. A. 26c, ““σύ γε οὐδὲ ὁρῶν γιγνώσκεις οὐδὲ ἀκούων μέμνησαιyou do not even understand though you see, nor yet do you remember though you hearX. A. 3.1.27. οὐδὲ . . . οὐδέ both copulative (and not . . nor yet) in X. C. 3.3.50. οὐδὲ . . . οὐδὲ . . . δέ is the negative of καὶ . . . καὶ . . . δέ in X. A. 1.8.20.

a. So in both members of comparative sentences (cp. καί 2885); as ““ὥσπερ οὐδὲ γεωργοῦ ἀ_ργοῦ οὐδὲν ὄφελος, οὕτως οὐδὲ στρατηγοῦ ἀ_ργοῦντος οὐδὲν ὄφελοςas there is no good in an idle tiller of the soil, so there is no good in an idle generalX. C. 1.3.18.

2938. οὐδὲ γὰρ οὐδέ (negative of καὶ γὰρ καί); as ““οὐδὲ γὰρ οὐδὲ τοῦτο ἐψεύσατοfor neither did he deceive me even in thisX. C. 7.2.20. Here the first οὐδέ negatives the whole sentence, the second οὐδέ negatives τοῦτο.

2939. ου᾽ . . . οὐδέ: οὐδέ not even as well as nor (2933) may resume a preceding οὐ. Thus, ὕβριν γὰρ οὐ στέργουσιν οὐδὲ δαίμονες lit. not even the gods do not love insolence S. Tr. 280, ““οὐ μέντοι ἔφη νομίζειν οὐδ᾽ ει᾽ παμπόνηρος ἦν Δέξιππος βίᾳ χρῆναι πάσχειν αὐτόνhe said however that he did not think that, even if Dexippus was a downright rascal, he ought to suffer by an act of violenceX. A. 6.6.25, ““οὐ δεῖ δὴ τοιοῦτον . . . καιρὸν ἀφεῖναι οὐδὲ παθεῖν ταὐτὸν ὅπερ . . . πεπόνθατεwe must not let such an opportunity go by nor suffer the same as you have sufferedD. 1.8.

ου᾽ μέντοι οὐδέ not by any means however. On ου᾽ μὴν οὐδέ see 2768.

2940. οὐδὲ . . . οὐ: οὐδέ may be resumed by οὐ; as ““οὐδέ γε ἰδίᾳ πονηρὸς οὐκ ἂν γένοιτο δημοσίᾳ χρηστόςnor can the man who is bad in his private life prove himself good in a public capacityAes. 3.78.

2941. οὐδὲ . . . οὔτε is rare (P. Charm. 171b).

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